Interview with Lisa Nagy MD & Lyn Patrick ND
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DR LYN PATRICK, ND: Alright, so welcome. This is Dr. Lyn Patrick and I'm here with Doctor Lisa Nagy. She was board certified in emergency medicine and environmental medicine and many of you may know is an expert in the evaluation and treatment of EMF related health conditions. She is my co-chair for the upcoming EMF conference 2019 which we've titled Diagnosis and treatment effects of EMF exposure because we're going to really concentrate on a conference for health care providers, designed to train them to train you in the audience, hopefully listening right now on how to do intakes, assessment, evaluation and treatment of your patients for their EMF exposure related conditions.
So welcome Lisa, why do you think this is important? Why should doctors come to this conference? What are they going to learn?
DR LISA NAGY: Well, first and foremost, they may help their own health. So family members often will become environmentally ill or sensitive and 30% of those who are chemically sensitive become EMF sensitive or so. So a large proportion of the regular normal quote, normal population develops mild environmental illness. So any person, whether it's a lay person or a physician who learns this, is benefitting themselves, benefitting their family. And then of course we want to benefit our patients, but I find it often you get people interested when they realized they themselves have some symptom of EMF sensitivity.
LYN: And what might that be?
LISA: Well, the first one I list is the cell phone heating up in your hand, or if they use an ear bud, the ear bud heating up in the ear, people actually have to pull it out because it becomes painful or they're intolerant to it.
And the funny thing is if you hand those hot cell phone to somebody else, they don't feel the heat if they're not EMF sensitive. So it's one of those things where your cells become sick, your body is not doing well for various reasons, which we'll get into, and you cannot handle the battery from the cell phone being held in your hand, let alone the cell phone technology and the frequencies related to 3G or WiFi or other frequencies that people have problems with because all EMS sensitive patients are not sensitive to the same frequencies. So I can be sensitive to magnetic fields and not electric fields. And yes the cell phone or no the cell phone, so other symptoms people could get would be, you know, headaches, what they call brain fog, where you just can't think and he feels stressed out. But one of the most interesting things is dysautonomia getting worse while you're on the computer. So you sit down at the computer, especially a laptop with a large battery right near your chest or on your body, you know, sitting on your legs is awful. But if your EMF sensitive, the heart can feel tight like it's twisting. Or if you use a landline telephone and you're on it for awhile, you can feel a twisting sensation. And I also used to get, uh, cause I had EMF sensitivity, a dripping from the armpits. So you, you feel normal body temperature, but all of a sudden your autonomic nervous system is perceiving the electricity as a changing things and you feel uncomfortable. And if you don't know what it is, you'll keep using the device unaware that you need to get away from it.
LYN: So these are signs and symptoms that I'm sure if healthcare providers don't ask about, they may not know about. So you have all this information from both your own experience and your experience working with patients, uh, qualified, at least in intake forms that you're going to share with us so we'll be able to actually take resources away from the conference that will be able to put into practice. And that's the whole conference is designed to train healthcare providers to walk away feeling like they have the resources and the knowledge they need.
LISA: And I give away when I give a talk, you know, I give away a checklist. It's called the brief, excuse me, one sec. I give away at conferences a brief history, which has allergies, med surgeries, exposures, toxic mold or chemicals, but also ask questions about dysautonomia, adrenal insufficiency, and EMF sensitivity. And one of the most obvious symptoms that people come in with is that they don't like fluorescent lighting. So when somebody says they don't like fluorescent lighting, boom, they're slightly EMF sensitive, then you ask how they feel when they're in a large building with fluorescent lights or if they work with fluorescent lights. Do they get tired and have trouble thinking? Well, this is not more all, I mean regularly where people can work in fluorescent lighting. And those of us who were EMF sensitive can't be near it at all.
In fact, very severe EMF sensitive patients don't like incandescent lighting and a high wattage. So what was funny, if I can tell a little vignette about what happened to myself, I didn't know that I was chemically or electrically sensitive. I just knew I was dying. I went to a physician in California and uh, I was asked to fill out forms and go sit over in a chair and I felt uncomfortable sitting next to the lamp. So I reached up and turn the light bulb until it was off, unscrewed it without knowing why I just couldn't handle being near a light bulb. And then, um, when I was speaking to the physician I was shocked later when I look back and said, I got no flyer of information about what to do if you're chemically sensitive, what to do with you’re EMS sensitive. And so my whole push is from the patient point of view, we deserve information right away to know how to avoid chemicals, what kind of a light bulb to buy, how not to use fluorescent lighting, how to use, um, an air tubing headset, which you get on Amazon for like five or 10 bucks. And this air tubing prevents the EMF from being conducted to the head. People have a right to know that the cell phone use may harm them. And in fact, even if they're not EMF sensitive at the beginning, if they’re mold exposed or pesticide exposure and they're really sick, holding the phone to their head is going to make them develop EMF sensitivity.
LYN: Yeah, and we're actually going to have a workshop during the conference that I think you'll probably be at right? To teach doctors about cell phone use and about what's actually in the legal disclaimer that the manufacturer cell phone puts inside the cell phone to let you know that holding it anywhere closer than five eighths of an inch to your body releases them from any liability they might have to damage that would be done by radiation exposure from the cell phone. Since I had everybody's cell phones. So we'll be actually doing a lot of hands on stuff at the conference to teach docs about this as well as remediation we have a two industrial hygienists, uh, and biologists who are going to be teaching us at the workshop how do we help our patients learn about remediation and avoidance. And of course you've been very fortunate I think because of your medical background and your education in environmental medicine to learn from someone who's done a tremendous amount of research in this area, Doctor Bill Rea about how to actually treat EMF sensitivity. So I'm really looking forward to not only learning about evaluation and assessment from you, but actual treatment. Uh, and just because I really want healthcare providers out there to understand that treatment is available and uh, recovery is possible.
Can you just give us a little clue about what we might learn at the conference about treatment and recovery from EMF induced illness?
LISA: First of all, I think I was one of the more sensitive people in the country that got well and it's so amazing to be able to use electronic devices when I need to. And I'm just going to tell you that when I was sick I was unable to do the dishes because I could feel the EMF from moving water in the kitchen faucet. It was a long faucet from the 1950s and I felt chest pain from running water. So, right on the edge of death, uh, you know, had very interesting experience from a medical point of view with my arms going dark and the world going black just from putting a landline phone on my chest. And I watched myself almost code called nine one one survived. He got treated. And I learned a lot from Dr. Ray about the use of oxygen therapy, of getting out of the moldy clothes, of the things that are most basic to getting well. And I know that some people are teaching courses right now that get into what I would say get into genetics and tell people that a hopeless and that they have, uh, uh, a genetic pattern that they could never recover from. I think this is bogus. I think everybody has a possibility recovery. You need to do what tens of thousands of people have done before. Bill Ray a really did a good job, you know, treating me and other people, but sometimes a new practitioners will come along and have additional treatment techniques and I feel that the treatment of Dysautonomia, the treatment of adrenal insufficiency, hormone deficiency, um, maybe looking at membranes and doing phosphatidylcholine intravenously for people. These are the techniques that you can add to Dr Ray’s, uh, techniques like neutralization and provocation and everything else that I learned from him in terms of intravenous vitamin therapy, et Cetera, and sauna. And basically I give people a lot of hope that they're going to get better and it may be a lot better in two weeks and then all the way better than two years. And to never give up.
LYN: Great! Well I can't because I've learned so much from you in the past and other environmental medicine trainings, and I know I'm going to learn so much more. I want to invite all of you to come to the diagnosis and treatment effects of EMF exposure conference September the sixth through the eighth, 2019. Uh, just FYI, the conference is at a retreat center where they will turn the WiFi off at night and serve us a hundred percent organic local food. So if that's not an enticement, uh, I don't know what is, besides you being their Doctor Nagy and I'm really honored.
LISA: It encouraged me online looking at the hotel. It really looked kind of interesting in, you know.
LYN: Well, it's a retreat center, so I'm honored that you're co-chairing this conference with me and I'm really excited about it and I look forward to seeing all of you there!
LISA: Yeah, thanks so much.