André Fauteux with Stephanie McCarter on Electrosensitivity

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André Fauteuz: Dr. McCarter. Hello, how are you?

Stephanie McCarter: I'm good. Nice to see you André.

André: Great. How's the weather doing?

Stephanie: Dallas is hot, hot and humid. I don't a human, so we're in our hot season now, so if you want to come do a song or just come drive here in your car, I actually get in your car and you'll sweat. So it's a poor man’s sauna, right. Um, but yeah, talking about your interview with Dr. Patrick and how I love what you're doing because the public needs to be educated. And one of the key points that you all made that you talked about was the fact that people, and we're seeing this every day, people who are getting sensitive is that for years they had this, you know, symptoms of the heat on the ear or on the face and then they put their phone on speaker mode or they quit using it for a while or they have, you know, bumps on their skin or their is burning.

Stephanie: And then it kind of comes and goes. And then, you know, this is always in the history. One of the big things Dr. Ray was talking about, his patient history is so important and we're very detailed about it, but that's some the trend we're seeing. And honestly I think with this rollout of five g I'm seeing a lot of people from 5g cities and they're young people and they'd said every one of them that, you know, years ago I had these symptoms and then all of a sudden it just snowball. And so, you know, since reacting to all the EMS suddenly, and I think the duck Patrick IRBs and maybe you said, you know, people don't want it when they're having these symptoms, they keep using devices. They don't explore the fact that they may be getting sensitive because it's so overwhelming because it's like, this is my life. And it's so much a part of everybody, especially young people. I mean they're, they're, they're growing up with this. So it's like the thought of not having that is overwhelming.

André: That's one thing that I learned from Dr Ben Bob, he speaking. I said,

Stephanie: yeah, I'm excited to be here.

André: Yeah. He said that if you develop those first symptoms of your, your eating, you've become more soft and you need to be careful or else you're going to fall in the try tried, I think it's the insomnia and the migraines and what I view people take it for granted or they start saying, oh, I don't have symptoms so I'm okay. I'm not hypersensitive.

Stephanie: Right, exactly. Exactly right. Because it's Dr [inaudible] talked about this a lot and that's the, the cell membrane is becoming a stable and instead of ignoring it, we need to look at why. And then one of the big things that he always talked about, you know, 75% of this is, is your environment and avoidance because you need that to stabilize. You need that cell membrane. And that one, one of the things he talked about with me quite a bit is that he said to me 10 years ago, Andre, he said to me, people are going to start shooting each other and shooting themselves more and we're going to see all this. And I said, why? He said, because they have glyphosate in the food, they have metals in the vaccines, they have all these that people are dealing with and medications aren't going to hold. When they hit this with lots of electromagnetics and he was so worried, you know, each tower went up. He was just completely in a panic. Like this is going to be worse than anything we've done.

André: But do you, do we know that biologically what happens in the body to, to make you more aggressive as we're seeing because of chemicals and electro smog?

Stephanie: Well, he, yeah, he thinks it had a lot to do with harmonics because you have different harmonics that effect that cell membrane. And honestly, one of the things that I'm going to talk about is I think it goes deeper. You know, one of the things we use here at doc doctor's clinic, the environmental health center, is we use a lot of provocation, utilization testing. And one of the things that Dr [inaudible] taught me is that the ground regulation system, that connective tissue matrix is such a key component of your nervous system. And so we've got all these, you know, we think in med school they're teaching, it's just connected tissue. It's holding yourselves together. But it's actually a communication network. And I think what happens when we saw a really severe chemically sensitive patients is because that, that's, that's that a metrics is like a fluid.

Stephanie: It's like very fluid flowing. But then people who get chronic depolarizations and constant stimulation, it becomes more implanted and becomes more like a Gel. He called it, you know, Seoul to a gel state. And when that happens, everything becomes more only the cell membrane. I think that you go even deeper into, you know, so, uh, inter intracellular communication. And then we know with all the work that's coming out about the microbiome that, you know, the bacteria like dark, I don't care to Dr Trevor Marshall, but he's discovered a fact that, you know, he's, these bacteria are actually sensitive and we have microbiomes all through the body and they are naturally gonna put out a defense kind of mode when there's something unnatural. And that's what we're finding is these really low frequencies, not even what we're dealing with right now are affecting us. And that's my biggest concern and I see this in the last two years, is this, you know, these higher frequency phones and like Dr. Hart, Dell's work and Dr Johanson, all of that work is so positive as far as proof. But here we haven't even considered that work was done on old phones. I consider all phones, you know, we haven't even got all the data now that's starting to accumulate with these higher frequency phones, which is really disturbing and concerning

André: for sure. There's so, so much misinformation out there. All the experts I speak to worldwide such as Dr Hard Gel, uh, and during Miller, uh, they're saying we don't need more studies. We have all the proof. Stephanie, first let me, let's back up a little bit. Tell us about yourself. Where are you from and how you wound up in Dallas?

Stephanie: Okay, so I am an internal medicine board certified physician. I grew up in Indiana. I went to Indiana for medical school and, uh, about 2000, I moved into a dream home. It was full of mold and have you pesticide frequently. And prior to that I had lived in California and I'd done really well and I always wondered why I did so well in California. I Will Indiana as a kind of a very moldy part of the country and everybody has basements and I grew up with mold, never learned any of that, you know, a medical school. And so, uh, we moved into this home and I started getting sick immediately. I started sensitizing to lots of things. Um, didn't know what was happening. Um, you know, took all kinds of medications of course, because that's what we're taught, you know, we, we treat the symptoms with medications and I just kept getting worse and worse.

Stephanie: And so finally I had some dental work done and they put in some crowns with some heavy metal bases and I already had a mouth full of mercury. And so I got very, very ill, uh, sensitized to more molds, everything. Didn't know what it was. I just kept thinking I'm going to find one thing, but it was, how could this be everything. And so I'm at one of my churches, I went to doctor, Ray's name came up, so I called him. And the first thing he asked me was something I'd seen 10 doctors. I'd done everything I've learned in medical school and that's, you know, we, we drug, we drug people and we look for something that is, you know, term like need to cut out like a tumor or something develops eventually. And so anyway, he asked me about anesthetics and I had had c-sections and he said, did you have any trouble with anesthetics?

Stephanie: And I had significant trouble. And he said, you better get down here. Your, your system's getting poisoned. And I thought, no one's asked me that question out of all of these doctors I've been to. And he asked me about my house and mold outside. I hadn't even thought about any of that. And so I came here and then he treated me. And then I started, uh, 2000 in 2000 and I walked into this clinic. And one of the biggest things that he taught, you know, 75% of this is environmental control. And this is a very unique, it's probably the only clinic in the world that has five times lower levels of pollutants. We have significant air filtration. He used the hard porcelain, he tried soft porcelain people reacted to it. So he has his hardcore swollen that's been fired over 2000 degrees. So it's a very inert, easily cleaned, uh, you know, no contaminants in this building.

Stephanie: And we have, you know, much lower levels of anything outside. In fact, I just had a patient recently who brought in a meter and he said, I've never seen a place that has no voc, no formaldehyde, no particular matter. I mean, and that's the thing. I walked into this clinic, Andre, and I was like, my symptoms decreased significantly and I've been suffering and suffering and I was like, I'm in the right place. I mean, it was just incredible. And you know, so then he started treating me with the provocation and the IB nutrients and sauna and oxygen, all the things we do. And, um, I just completely, I literally thought I was going to die. And when I got here I was just amazed. He was amazing. And he's a great teacher. Uh, you know, he never stopped studying and he was always, you know, he was paper 91 on EMS and he recognized that before anyone even thought about it.

Stephanie: One of the things he did regret is that we don't have more of an EMS, um, protection in the clinic. We have pretty good protection because the person that's like a fair day effect. But we do have rooms. You don't spend dose. And in today's we're all, it's five g's everywhere, your Dallas. And so it's becoming more of a challenge. But we do have the um, testing room that, you know, where we have a shielded room and again, we had the lower flute levels and we have where we can test people on electro sensitivity, but we don't do the smart meter frequencies. Typically people who are sensitive, they react to the 60 hertz. And then we do some of the lower frequencies as well. But we do double blind studies and it is very convincing. I mean we do the vitals. Dr. Ray did the Iris corridor tests. We don't have that right now, but we do a cognition test and um, it's been, it's been very reproducible. So, uh, even more so now I think people are more affected so it's easier to be producing.

André: I sent you an email this week wondering if someone replicated that 1991 study. Uh, I heard that Swedish Cypress came and they didn't, it didn't work out the same. Explain what the problem is. Explain actually what happens when someone arrives at the center of dollars. Here's a few days to calm them down.

Stephanie: Exactly. And everyone's different. That's one thing I want to emphasize is that, you know, you hear a lot of doctors talk about its metals or it's mold or it's chemicals. Everyone is different. Everyone's story's different. Their exposures, the way they react is different. So that's the first thing we do when we come here is like, we just try to find, you know, start with how sensitive are you. We do what's called rescue manages. Where we look at just the basic neural transmitters and we skin test that to see how sensitive you are to your on histamine or Serotonin because the body is electrical as we know and everything's running on frequencies. So this is more than just an allergy test. We're actually helping to reset, you know, like I said, that the connective tissue is actually an end organ of the autonomic nervous system. So we're helping the body kind of get a homeostasis effect by doing that.

Stephanie: And we can tell by just doing those things how sensitive people are. And then if they're super, super sensitive to role, they're usually sensitive to a lot of foods. So you know, your foods are really important. We have to start with the building blocks and get the foods, we call it a spreading phenomenon when people have more and more chemical sensitivity molds and it starts to spreading to foods. Obviously EMS and Dr. Ryan, I discussed that a lot. We think that EMS has a lot to do with that overloaded cell membrane. We saw a lot in the initial days with pesticides and molds. Um, pesticides. I think there's an ionizing effect that occurs. And now we know that Michael talks, there's something going on with that charge and you with that makeup through the cell membrane, there's like a whole complex intercommunication with that matrix. And then there's a black, okay let's coding of the cell and then you have a memory.

Stephanie: So there's something going on there that that changes the charge and um, so becomes unstable. And I think, like I said, if it gets bad enough, it goes into the cell. So you're to check your effecting mitochondrial and genetic communication. So there's, you know, depending on how complex or how sensitive the person has become, we can tell that by testing them. And that's the beauty of the tests. You just sit and we can test severity, we can reproduce symptoms because we're working with a dermal level where ended in juridic cells. So we're actually not just throwing an allergy test, we're actually reproducing symptoms. And then we can use it as a treatment because it, because it's an open system, we can take that frequency and how the body see whenever substance abuse at a frequency that it can handle. So it's like you're, you're resetting that connective tissue matrix and trying to unblock all of that.

Stephanie: Um, do you polarization then inflammation that's been going on for so long. And that's what's neat about it is you do get relief of symptoms we built back in unity and you detox whatever that substance is. It's, it's pretty incredible. You learn, we do that. And I was going to mention it. So patients you can't take supplements are usually food sensitive. So one of the big is fixing the microbiome and by bypassing it with nutritious like ivy nutrients, oftentimes people who come here, they can't even do that. So we actually have to desensitize them to the IB nutrients, which we're able to do. And then they, and getting IB nutrients is a huge plus in healing when people are, that's it. How did you sensitize them?

Stephanie: as a ties to actually doing the provocation testing. Um, we have all the nutrients we can test and then desensitizing, neutralize their end point and the patients then start taking those antigens and they start being able to tolerate their IBS just by giving small doses, right? So usually depends on the number of severity of how high we have to do with the substance to get an in point and where we stopped symptoms. So we're looking at a wheel and we're looking at stopping the wheel and then also stopping symptoms and that's their endpoint. And the endpoint, if it's pretty high, they'll have to take the shots for a few days before we can even start. And if it's not super high, we can actually give them the doses before, during and after the IB. So, you know, you're getting more of a benefit than reacting all the time because basically what's happening is people are reacting to everything and so we have to calm that barrel down.

Stephanie: Right. So you found that bureau also, it's a very effective tool. Um, sauna, you know, we have sauna supplements. Sometimes we can't get supplements, but we start real slow and people cannot be sauna. Then we just back off and work on just, you know, IB nutrients and clean environment. That's just being here. Yeah, I do use, uh, infrared, uh, with ventilation in the sauna idea of a show that I guess we have the heavenly heat Saunas, which are shielded pretty well. We also have built in tile Saunas that were done years ago. It was safe tile and see products. One of the things about infrared is when people are really Amex incident, they have so much, uh, toxins, metals, chemicals. Sometimes infrared is too much. So we have to start with regular sauna and sometimes not even, you know, just, just basic sweating. Um, because their mechanism is, so there's just, the nervous system is different from other ordinance.

Stephanie: So it's like when you basically accelerate or irritate the nervous system, it is a difficult thing to call down. So we've had patients who know they'll do one sauna and then they're super sensitive for a week and they can't do anything. So you have to go very slowly and you have to make sure, you know, that's where we says like, we do the urine, mycotoxins toxins. We look at the heavy metal load, um, just skin testing itself gives us a big picture of what's going on as far as their main triggers and how sensitive they are. So, um, so that's really important. To how long were you there? How did the treatment go?

Stephanie:  I probably was one of the more sensitive patients, so I had to do the Hawaii thing first. And, uh, I kept trying to skin test and doctor, he kept telling me, you are too overloaded to test. You know, doctors were very type a like, I'm going to do this and I'm going to get over this and I'm just going to go in the sauna. I know all this stuff's going to come out on my body and I'm going to be back to normal. Like pick a medication, right? I'm going to take this and I'm going to be fine. So yeah, it took a while. It took me a couple of years. Um, one of the biggest things that I took his advice about was getting out of the city. You're finding a good environment. Um, so I, that was huge. Like he told me, he said, you know, you've got to replicate this somewhere because that's the secret to healing.

Stephanie: You know, and now, especially in today's world, having that your home environment, super healthy, your sleep, you know, your sleep sanctuary is key. You know, we know from a lot of the talks that your brain heals at night and there's a lot of strength edge of the cell so that the cerebral spinal fluid in the lymph can clear that break. So that is a very important factor. Um, so that's one of the things that helped me a lot. I actually built an ecological home out in the country and I love it. I love going there. Um, I will tell you like when my children come home from college, you know, you were talking about doctor packet, we've got schools and we're going to have all these doctors who treat children and schools and the most toxic place today, it's, you know, it's full roundup. It's full of frozen lighting.

Stephanie:  EMS Kids never touched the ground. Buchter you'd always say, nobody touches the ground barefoot anymore. Everything's rubber soled shoes. I mean we're never connecting to the earth, which is always wonderful electrons to help our bodies. Anyway. So I have this house that is very basically EMF free and still lucky to have that. And I will tell you that when these kids come back from college and they're, you know, they're basically in a cloud that every day they sleep for three days, they literally go through withdrawal and a digital detox and it's incredible. And um, so yeah, you see it happening and it's great for them to experience. And I think, I'm hoping that the conference that you know that I'm going to talk about that because people need to realize that only problem we have today under it is that we don't have a lot of EMS free zones. It's harder to get that accomplished.

André: I'm really lucky. I live in our door. We bought a property lakefront property and our north in Montreal in 1997. We built the house the next, I didn't have rs needles back then. And if my meter is blinking, is it sue my car? It blinks green is the best you can get. I couldn't believe it. A, it's my own initiative side. Well, you're really lucky. Yeah. Uh, yeah. I saw that you design your house with David Russo. That's an architect I wrote about. I talked to him several, several years ago. Very nice and timely with you. A national research council or use an indoor area expert.

Stephanie: Yes. Wonderful. He's in China now trying to help with the, the air pollution because you know, we're getting effected now by the Asian Air and not only that big thing that doctor he talked about with sleep Ashima that's our other big concern. You know, we have more and more radioactive components, so we're dealing with in the food and the water and such. So it's, yeah. Air Food and water is are challenged.

André:  Yeah. Do you recommend against you eating food from the seafood from the Pacific Ocean or because all their studies we see the government says the levels are very low from Fukushima. There's nothing to worry about.

Stephanie:  Dr. Ray would say Johnny, any of it. Oh, and we did in the last 10 years. People who live west of the Rockies where we do a Genova talks profile or we do a heavy metal challenge, we are seeing a lot more CZ and strontium forth. But yeah, it's definitely coming our way and it's definitely in our food. So it is important to, you would actually say don't eat any seafood at all. You would say that, but you know, we need the DHA. Ah, so yeah, it's becoming more and more of a challenge. Definitely. And he would definitely say not to eat that, that fish from the west coast. Um, I took a Geiger counter out there a few years ago and I did detect what was interesting is I did detect more radiation, um, than the Geiger counter. What I went just over the hills into inland on the coast there. Um, I was in southern California. I did tests like the water and I kind of did my own little trick test, but it's definitely, I think more in the rain. So you're seeing more and more of that. But yeah, it's a big concern. And I do see more articles now where they're starting to discuss the fact that it's still making and that we are getting some of that grade

André:  overwhelming for people when they are talking about so many pollutants. Where would you start? One for? One of the things I could recommend is the environmental health trust that know the uh, uh, environmental working group,, a toxic, that pest, the pesticide free, uh, veggies and fruits. I, um, I tell them that if your

Stephanie: budget is limited, well buy organic from the worst of the list. Yeah. The dirty dozen. Yes. Yup. And then the other thing I wanted to mention about what we have discovered in the last couple years is the implants. Um, we have more and more people have implants and not just one. Um, they have several. So we know we think about silver fillings as an implant, but we have so many more now of people, even young people, you know, getting all these injuries and then having titanium rods Mesh. All of that is creating more of a problem, not just for EMS, but the new system. And so yeah, you're like an antenna, you know. And I do see, I haven't seen a trend with our younger patients. Tattoos. That's the other big thing. Tattoos are full of metal. So we are seeing a higher metal load and people that have these and they are having a lot more electromagnetic symptoms.

Stephanie: So yeah, it's another big issue. [inaudible] I was one of the things he's going to write about next, who's finished his EMF books. And then next he said, I'm writing a book on implants. So implants publication again for titanium, titanium alloys. So you know, the titanium alloy has cobalt chromium, aluminum lived in them and often times Andre Google find one thing in there that is setting the patient off and we can desensitize them. And I've had people come here and I had an immunologist who had terrible chest pain after his scrap surgery and this wasn't a metal implant, but um, he could not get off pain meds had been nine months. We were able to test him on the specific plastic in that graft and it took ways pain immediately. So it's fabulous the way we can do this. And you know, for people who are considering surgery, we have the option, you know, gentle all of it to come in here and test the materials.

Stephanie: Like I said, if the test is really high, it's not something you really want to put in your body. And if you're not reactive and that's the to be better and it's better than the blood test. A lot of times people do blood tests like the clipper test, but this is much more accurate because we're looking at not just the ige, Igg, we're looking at all parts of the new system when we get to this deeper level of testing. So we're affecting t-cells, we're affecting that whole other part of your immune system. So it's all connected again to your nervous system. So that's a really great way to prepare people and help people who've already had implants flown for the Lima.

Stephanie: So what we do is we go on a deeper level than what an Elmer just does. So we are actually looking at, at the dendritic, you know, the terminal layer layer and that's communicating with the nervous system. And we have found that affects, there's four types of noon reactions. Your body has typically allergists, Tree Ige, which you know your about Meso activation and all of that. So that's the histamine that makes you itchy and get high and all that. But this is actually going on a level that's deeper. So we're actually looking at t cell mediated immunity, which is more dealing with viruses or delayed reactions like poison ivy, things like that. So you're actually gonna affect that part of the immune system and be able to test its sensitivity, which is often missed. And so all of that makes, gives us a lot more information and it helps calm symptoms down so much more than just a, and that's what I think we have a lot of patients who come here with blood tests, that standard allergy test.

Stephanie: They'd say, well, I'm not reacting to any of these foods according to these tests, but I'm not any better. And we do the skin testing here and we find, wow, we have a lot of kids that you're reacting to. And then the beauty of it too is when you do a regular test, it's like, okay, you're positive. We have certain grade, this is actually, you know, we're going down, we're doing a little skin prick, it grows, we go to another level, we diluted, diluted, diluted until it stops. And that's your treatment dose. And so it's very, very helpful. And it's individually, you know, basically you're getting prioritization of that person. Then there's specifically a sensitive, not going to prescribe your same thing for everyone, right? So everyone's different. And so we have to look at basically are they able to usually the people who come here and need to do IB testing for nutrients and see how sensitive they are to the vitamins and in the IB.

Stephanie: And the beauty of that though is that we can then help them desensitize to those same supplements orally. And again, those patients are typically very sensitive to foods. Now the people who come here and just can do culation or that's your thing, we can test Canadian agents. A lot of times people do culation with different things like EDTA and DMSA and they get deal. Um, and we can actually Skim Tesla's agents first to help them not be so reactive to the agent. A lot of times it's the agent that they're reacting to and it's not so much that [inaudible] process. Um, but yeah, so we could do that. And then, um, patients that aren't doing okay with that and they can do ivs and then we're usually dealing more with implants or molds, chemicals. We actually can do, um, help the body, uh, detox carts, os Formaldehyde, different types of chemicals, um, late or not.

Stephanie: And you're not getting injected with the substance. It's just about electromagnetic frequencies. So it's, um, it's all basically, you know, one of the things I'm going to talk about, I was reviewing, um, is that back in the 70s, they did electromagnetic, uh, measurements with oscilloscopes of people and the aura and the energy or, and I think there's, you know, we're just basically dealing with, that's life. Life is signals and electrical, and that's what we're doing on that level. We're treating people on that level. So it's very effective. And it's also really helpful to, you know, have these, what is your trigger? What, like you said, everyone's different. So we have certain people, super mold is an issue. Other people, it could be like you said, one particular implant material. So it's, that's one thing I did learn from Dr Arrays and unfortunately, you know, medicine doesn't do that. We can everybody in a box and it's like you have your lab ranges and you fall in that lab range or you don't, and people are so different. And that's what he taught me is you can't treat any person the same. Um, so yeah, that's an in moments poison is in another man's ocean. You know, it's all different.

André:  I remember Dr. Ray taught me the trigger is that about 80% of your patients are chemically and mold and EMS. What's the, tell me a bit about his relationship, his relationship with Dr [inaudible] and his results. What are you finding in the blood tests and urine tests? Are you seeing the same results? A low vitamin D and other?

Stephanie: Yes. Yeah. That's one of the things that you and Dr. Patrick were talking about. I wish we had a blood test that could just designate EMS sensitivity. Um, but basically what we're seeing is the same thing you see with that. Uh, the chronic reactive inflammatory syndrome. You see low MSA, GC, a high TGF ina, you see I am in p nine, you see all these things, high histamine levels and you don't see a specific thing. You know, most of the patients that come here have all of those lab tests abnormal. So it's not like we can pinpoint, this is one of the beauties of the Iam of testing room though, is that we have that room and that has been really helpful and it's been pretty consistent. Like I said, we do double blind and it's showing positive results for patients that are sensitive.

André:  So there you challenge them with only 60 hertz, lower electric and magnetic.

Stephanie: Yeah, we do. I'm basically 60 hertz and then we do five and 10 and then of course zero. And we do control and we have the patient, you know, sitting in the room first. Um, just to see how they feel. Some people are very sensitive to copper, so they get in their room and they don't feel well. And that's the thing you have to look at who's sensitive to what metal, you know. But most patients it's very consistent. Yeah. But we need an EMF test. I'm hopeful that nitrogen piracy might be one. I saw the doctor go home was doing that test. Um, so we're going to start drawing those people, you know, hopefully. But you know, that whole cycle of that paradoxy nitrite, uh, free, you know, precursor, free radical. Yes. Seems to be happening with most things that people are getting challenged with. It's not just CMS, you know, and I don't know how it's tied. And I know the calcium channels are a big factor in EMF, but we're seeing those things in people with, you know, inflammation from mold or chemicals or metals. So I wish we had a one test that we could focus on. Like this is for sure that so far is the MFS we do. And then in the Sheila grant

André: it's difficult to, there's no specific and some specific tests for yet. Yeah. Tell me about the kids. Are you seeing more and more kids and teenagers in your clinic?

Stephanie: We are seeing kids. We're seeing more and more, I would call the 20 and 30 year olds. Um, that's who we're seeing right now. I think right now a lot of the kids that are affected are, you know, diagnosed with autism and they're probably seeing neurologists more right now. We do get autistic kids and autistic spectrum kids and they are very sensitive to metal and to foods and their mothers are usually very high in metals and not been tested. So hopefully we can educate doctors on that too because it's totally being missed by people. You know. And one of the things you guys talked about is the fact that um, you know, these autistic kids and these ADHD kids are, they love to be on computers. And one of the things doctor and I talked about is that whenever you're allergic to you, you're addicted to that. It's almost like their feet. I loop in that, in that part of their brain. So, and typically the higher the metals, the more they're affected the higher metal levels they have in their body. So,

André: yeah, it's a challenge to convert, confront your cravings and say, well, this is making me sick.

Stephanie: Right? Right.

André: Tell me how important sleep is and how chronic sleep problems can be dangerous and how people take them not seriously enough.

Stephanie: Right? So everybody's wired but tired. That's the, that's the thing today. And everybody's working on high caffeine. Um, they're all, you know, probably what we see as people are doing that in their adrenals are getting, eventually by the time they're in the 30s, forties, now younger, they're having Adrenal, um, you know, fatigue and they can't function. Um, so because they're medicating that right, and sleep, people think, well, I don't mean to sleep. Um, their deep sleep is all in time. You really feel the brain. So most patients are not getting deep sleep. You know, you're just getting some, some of the priestly what does it out, but they're not getting the delta waves. And uh, so that's, that's really important too, because that's how we heal. And so that was one of the things I learned as a patient because if I didn't see, I could, I just couldn't get better.

Stephanie: And so I was very important to find a place that I could, you know, sleep and be grounded. Grounding was huge help for me. But you know, that's one of the things I tell patients. I don't care what it is. Wherever you can sleep, that's, that's the environment to be in right now. Um, because that's how our brain detoxes and if we don't have that, it's going to continue to overload us. And then that's all connected by two autonomics everything else. Um, so yeah, it's super important and that's, that's what the challenge is today is that we used to have housing, we used to have Marriott block rooms and they were ecofriendly and with all the Wifi that came into Dallas, our patients see and we get patients from all over the world. They had so much more trouble. So we had to, you know, find other housing sources and it's still very difficult. We have cottages that are outside of Dallas. Um, you know, patients come here for treatment and you can't treat very well if you're not sleeping, you're immediately, the skin testing doesn't work very well. The sympathetic nervous system is in overdrive. And you know, that's the other thing. When you're in a sympathetic overload, you can't rest and digest or sweat because that's all parasympathetic. So that's what I think has happened. He does his society, you know, is that everyone's getting overloaded that way. And so it's um, it's a big problem.

André:How long do people stay at the center on average?

Stephanie: Average. Usually two weeks. Sometimes three weeks. Yeah. And then most people who come for a week usually come back as hell. You know, we try to get people to come for at least two weeks, but usually, um, if they can only come a week, then they ended up saying, oh, I need to come back. But we try to get as much done as we can now the first week. So the other big thing we have is the new booster, you know, that's where we grow the blood and hope patients basically give back their health because we grow the blood and then the next cells die off. So the strong cells survive. And we do that over a six week period. So all, it's like all the, when you were healthy, all that cell memory, all those factors we give back to you that has an Ubistor and it's been a big help for patients to take a blood sample and we actually grow it in the lab and we get, you know, in nutrients and then week sales are dying off and then only the strong sales make it. So after about six weeks we harvest that and then we take that and we all those factors, there's like 200 proteins in that supernate and that we can give back to patients. It's wonderful. It's called autogenous lymphocytic factor. We call it af for short. And it's been a huge help for EMF patients.

André: Do you stop medication as well?

André: Pardon you standard medications, but like some people are so sensitive. Antidepressants can help sometimes, but some people totally yet

Stephanie:  some patients, most patients come here on a lot of different medications like that. And what we have found with the treatment is they're able to slowly ween off those medications and patients who can't, who really need them. We can also test those once again with provocation neutralization because a lot of times they're not getting full benefit from those medications. Antihypertensives also like several antibiotics, we can actually help them identify when they can tolerate and help them not get sensitized to it. Wow, that's great. Yeah.

André: So you're not at, you're, you're an internist by training and you practice in hospitals, I guess before you didn't turn your back to early on at the camp

Stephanie: and that's all I did was medicaid medical it. Yeah.

André: But now you didn't turn your back totally on allopathic medicine.

Stephanie: No, no. I think allopathic still in, especially for, you know, surgery. I mean, it's amazing what we can do nowadays with surgeries, um, and traumas and things like that. It's, it's fabulous. And we have, this is the thing, we have the technology to do things in a safe manner. My concern is everything right now I've seen planted into people wireless devices. Um, and you know, if you measured these, these monitors and things that people are wearing, the insulin pumps negative virus to the phones, um, that's a big concern because people are having, I had a patient recently, a very young patient, she's been on insulin pumps, switched over to a wireless pump since that time. She's had funny little tumors growing, you know, so there's this all, um, ignorance of the allopathic world as to what's happening with all these devices. And I actually have some of my former colleagues from medical school who are cardiology and I said to them, I actually sent a video. I had a patient who was wearing an ultra monitor that was wireless and she was completely fatigued after seven days. She could think. And I sent him a video of the readings. He didn't even know what that was. He said, we're not being educated on this. And then I talked to him about the calcium channels. So you know, this is going to be really important for these types of doctors to learn this. And neurosurgeons, same thing. I have a neurosurgery colleague and he said, you know, nothing's been spoken about this.

André:  I think a lot of doctors should come down just for a bag to harvest his talk. Yes, I know she is on the heart or diabetes, that those are two issues that nobody's talking about.

Stephanie: Oh, all of these Andre, all of these kids are being put on these insulin pumps that are wireless to these 2.4 gigahertz phones. And it's, it's affecting them. It's definitely affecting them. I mean, I'm seeing adrenal fatigue, I've seen all these symptoms and they're going to these doctors and no one can explain what's happening. You know, just like this big increase in all these things we're seeing in the last 10 years that public health can't just account for wires. This happening. No one's looking at, I went from magnetics.

André:  How much has her heart palpitations grown throughout the population? Are you seeing a lot more people?

Stephanie: Oh wait, people come here. They've been to the Er. I don't know how many times. You know, the doctors are like, I can't explain it. You Heart's fine. I don't know why it's racing. Um, you know, if you are under a lot of stress, um, you know, there's, there's no education. So they, they keep going to the Er and, and finally, okay, this is not, you didn't know. They don't know what's wrong with me. And so then they find us and, or they learned about biologists or somebody talks to them about a smart meter or whatever, you know, on their house. And so it's just, you know, getting the word out to people to understand. Because unfortunately, like I said, you know, they allopathic physicians are not being taught to recognize this. I just spoke to a guy who was actually putting in by g I saw him in Dallas who's was a young 30 something year old and I are you putting in by GE? And he said, yes. And then he started talking to me and I found out that he was not sick. He had been to the doctor three times for his heart racing and no one, no one knew why. And he was told in a stress, you know. So

André:  I have a friend who was here, he also advertised my magazine. He's probably the worst case of electro sensitivity that, that another guy who was really sick told me about, he comes out of his car, I had my satellite dish Internet, well, it'd behind my house is behind it, so we're okay. But when he comes out of his car, he gets a headache instantly. His eyes and nose can start bleeding. And he has been, his business is to rewire houses and businesses.

André:   And then again, people don't, don't realize how, how bad it can get, but he was telling me that he's a lot better now. He's taking a immuno cow, he's taking his eating betters that, you know, all sorts of things. And he's telling me I can expose myself more these days. I said, oh no, don't do that. You know, cause I'll never forget, Dr. Ray told me about a patient Betty cure twice, 20 years apart. I don't know if her name was David Carter, probably not. But he said when she came back, she told her, you went back to your old toxic lifestyle.

Stephanie: Yes. Yeah. He always says, don't get coffee. Nope. Don't push to these toxic environments. You know, you're meant to be. Um, and then, but not all the time. And yet people, people want to be in the real world, right? They want to. But the real world was becoming much more of a difficult place to actually, um, stay healthy. And, and you know, one of the things I love that Dr Bredesen talks about from UCLA, you know, he, he wrote the end of Alzheimer's, he's studied Alzheimer's patients and he said, 20th Century Medicine Does Not Work in 21st century environment. It just doesn't work. And we need to look at what's going on in the environment. And he's right. And that's where, you know, I was really excited because the last conference I went to, he spoke and there were probably 500 doctors there and a lot of them were psychiatrists.

Stephanie:  So I was really excited to see that. So we just have to keep educating people. And I'm so super excited that Dr. Patrick has put this conference together and I hope lots of people will come because we just, people need to know, you know, this is, this is not going to go away unfortunately. So. And you know, we have the technology, it's like doctor, I said, we have the ways to make this safe. There are, we have enough intelligent people that, you know, like Dr. Patrick said, this is, this is crucial to, you know, our lives today, but we need to make it safe. And there's really to do that. So,

André: yeah. Why are you wired? Is Cyber hacking safe? It's healthier. It's a lot faster. People think wireless is the other way around.

Stephanie: Hmm. Right, exactly. Yeah. Yup.

André: Well, Stephanie, thank you so much for taking the time. I know you got patients to care of and I'm really looking forward to seeing you in September. Okay, I see. Yup. Talk to you soon. Okay.


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